So what I decided to do, as a former computer science guy, was to write a computer program that would look for very, very near misses to this equation, so close that if you tried them out on a calculator, it would appear correct to the number of digits that most people had available on their calculators, at least at that time. FLATOW: And that's why sometimes you have freeze frames or you can freeze your VCR in the old days and then try out the number and see if it's working. COHEN: We've struggled a little bit to claim that. This was, again, credit to Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein. But there is this physics element to it. "The Simpsons" is the longest running TV scripted series in history and the 1989 paper by the mathematicians states, “With a large enough sample, any outrageous thing is … Hardy, the professor who invited him over, went to visit him in hospital, took a taxi. The writers sometimes portray Bart, Homer, and Lisa as using mathematics in some of their projects. And he says no fair. But the bottom line is that according to the Futurama Theorem, as long as two fresh people are added into the mix, then they give you the flexibility, the wriggle room, you need for everybody else to get back to their original bodies. It really hit me straight between the eyes because that was the first - you know, the first book I'd ever written was all about Fermat's Last Theorem. COHEN: No. The question is if you have a stack of N pancakes and you are a very smart flipper, what is the fastest - what is the number of flips that it takes to sort this stack of pancakes out into the proper arrangement. And ideally you would like to have them in that nice, neat arrangement where the biggest one is on the bottom, then they're in order up to the smallest one on top. David, being in scifi there are a lot of science jokes in "Futurama." That's funny. I just, you know, it's like a former president or something? How did it end up in "The Simpsons?". SINGH: You know, the greatest musical satirist of the 20th century, a math professor at Harvard. This is SCIENCE FRIDAY from NPR. I'm Ira Flatow. David X. Cohen, a former "Simpson" writer and executive producer of "Futurama," "The Simpsons" sister series. I guess we're always going to be scribbling something. If you mean more philosophically, I guess... COHEN: No. COHEN: But he has provided a lot of the real hardcore math and science, including the estimate of the mass of the Higgs boson that Simon mentioned. You're slightly an outsider. FLATOW: Maybe Harvard ought to put out a course in comedy writing for all those mathematicians. There is a number that I purposefully stick in periodically into episodes and that's the number 24. So many people tried it out on their calculators and I was very, very pleased the day after it aired to see some people gathering on the Internet to converse about it and saying, what's going on here? And, again, I don't have a good explanation but I believe it is true. COHEN: Hmm. It's a little easier. And by the end of the episode, though, everybody wants to get back to their original bodies. The whole story is about math in higher dimensions and what reality and higher dimensions might be like. COHEN: So I took his number. Simon, you spent a lot of time writing about "The Prisoner of Benda." And then the mother sees it reflected in the mirror which is Murder backwards, Red rum. We have something, another clip that I want to play, something called a clip from the season finale, "The Prisoner of Benda." COHEN: No, not really. COHEN: Simon, it's almost "Twilight Zone" there. If it is, put it in. Our number 1-800-989-8255. SINGH: It reminds me, I mean, it's about almost like scientists talking about the philosophy of science. 1-800-989 - well, are there things in the hopper that you haven't finished that you'd like to get in, you know, while you still can? Now that is binary but in decimal it's 666 which is the number of The Beast and is very terrifying. Many of The Simpsons' writers have mathematical backgrounds, perhaps explaining the show's penchant for the topic. The famous people who’ve appeared in The Simpsons extends to scientists and mathematicians. I know one area where it may relate is in terms of looking at DNA, where you look at bits of DNA that have broken off and reverse themselves from generation to generation. Hi, Richard. COHEN: That's a better answer. Hi, Matthew. And it's a lovely little theorem. I'm Ira Flatow. List of writers FLATOW: Or are you just doing it for yourself? But, I mean, vitally a bit about the math and then David can tell you a bit about how this show came to be and the link to "Twilight Zone." And Bender gets up and runs away. In this case we had a blackboard. And again, maybe a lot of comedians and comedy writers are slightly outside to the mainstream. Quick phone call before the break. That episode, like many "Simpsons" episodes, had a background that was calling out to be filled up with something. You can decide how phony baloney it sounds. Some have seen philosophy embedded in episodes of The Simpsons; others have detected elements of psychology and religion.Simon Singh, bestselling author of Fermat's Last Theorem, The Code Book and The Big Bang, instead makes the compelling case that what The Simpsons' writers are most passionate about is mathematics. Gentlemen, I want to thank you both for taking time with be with us. Just like that. In the simpsons and their mathematical secrets simon singh explains how the brilliant writers some of the mathematicians have smuggled in mathematical jokes throughout the cartoons twenty five year history exploring everything from to mersenne primes from eulers equation to the unsolved riddle of p vs np from perfect numbers to narcissistic numbers and much more. How often do people send in jokes? Not an interesting number. And, you know, this is extraordinary stuff. FLATOW: And were you allowed and are the writers still allowed free rein to stick in math whenever they'd like to? Nobody sends in any - well, I was about to say nobody sends in anything. FLATOW: Have "The Simpsons," you know, at the very beginning where they all climb into the couch, has any math ever been used in that little opening there? So the head writers, Al Jean and Mike Reiss early on that Simon mentioned, and later Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein, among others, were very encouraging of people to just put in obscure references to whatever they were interested in. Photograph: Courtesy of Al Jean. And when they graduated, fairly soon afterwards, they joined the writing team of the very first series of "The Simpsons." FLATOW: All right. It's nice to hear that you guys were. And the one common theme that people seem to suggest was the idea that mathematics is about logic and so these people enjoy playing with logic, they enjoy stretching it, bending logic. in Physics, then went to University of California, Berkeley, to get an M.S. He seems to have found a counter example to the notorious math problem Fermat's Last Theorem. But then Bender sees the number reflected in a mirror. We have crickets chirping in the background when we try to do it. After Greenwald was interviewed for NPR’s Science Friday in 2005, some of the writers heard the program. And the question is essentially this in very, very crude terms. And so a Cambridge mathematician said, look, you've got to come to England. Simpsons writer Al Jean,third from left in the back row,in the mathematics team from 1977 Roeper School yearbook.Photograph:CourtesyofAl Jean newsgroup that allowed fans to share, among other things, their freeze-frame discoveries. We're just like is it funny or not? FLATOW: There you go. The following is a list of writers who have worked on the The Simpsons.. And I think it was Richard Feynman who said, you know, scientists are about as interested in the philosophy of science as birds are interested in ornithology. SINGH: No. You have simple questions and hard questions in math. You changed the outcome by measuring it. You have gravity pulling in different directions or a gravitational equation in "Treehouse of Horror VI" and I was giving a talk today about this topic, about mathematics and "The Simpsons" and "Futurama" at the Cavendish Laboratory in Cambridge where they've got a very, very strong particle physics group there. FLATOW: Well, we have tried to do programs over the 22 years we've been on, on are scientists funny? But in the episode "The Wizard of Evergreen Terrace," Homer does something extraordinary. Author Simon Singh helps Ira decode the show's numberplay, while former Simpsons writer David X. Cohen remembers how he helped Homer solve Fermat's Last Theorem (sort of). RICHARD: Hey guys. The list includes all the writers from seasons 1 through 29. He had very little schooling but he just would invent theorems that were beautiful and elegant and rich and original. A fascinating look behind "The Simpsons" and, you know, I've been watching it for years, these math things pop in and out. … So both these two people, Mike Reiss, Al Jean both loved math, both loved comedy writing. FLATOW: In grad school, you studied something called burnt pancake problem. So in this case it's apparently a counter example to Fermat's Last Theorem, which says that for the equation a to the n plus b to the n equals c to the n, there are no solutions of n is greater than 2. Good question. COHEN: You know, as I said before, we were originally sort of just doing these freak things for ourself. Do you have a favorite one? COHEN: Hmm. Singh reports that one of the mathematicians on the Simpsons writing team, J. Stewart Burns, draws a parallel between puzzles, which represent the very essence of math, and jokes. FLATOW: Right. Let me play it first. Homer enters the third dimension. As if "The Simpsons" need grant money, right? So sometimes even in the (unintelligible) there is mathematics. So up in - late in the show - late in the process of making the show we suddenly say, wait a second, Homer's a genius in this episode writing on a blackboard. I mean, I could tell you how it appeared in "The Simpsons," but David X. Cohen is the man who's responsible so... COHEN: All right. Rating: Yeah. They formed a comedy-writing partnership. Some of what Singh covers are the appearance of π, a curious version of … In this particular episode I would say things are a little bit different because this is one episode of "The Simpsons" where the math and science of it is really front and center. 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